[SCFN] ITS ALL ABOUT THE BACKBONE - THE INTERNET BACKBONE

Tue Apr 28 13:23:50 PDT 2009

That's productive.  Thanks Charles.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Charles Wyble <charles at thewybles.com> wrote:
> He didn't say it was twcable as in coax. He was referring to the vendor.
> Come on.
>
> Matt Fanady wrote:
>>
>> This isn't TW cable, TW will be running fiber to the building and
>> delivering ethernet.  I'm not sure I understand the rest of the
>> question however.
>>
>> -M@
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:56 PM, David Morris <dmorris at pixeled.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm paying quite a bit less for a twcable 10mb pipe into one of our dc's
>>> Does this have to be into that facility? Or would a carrier neutral NOC
>>> work?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> Subject: Re: [SCFN] ITS ALL ABOUT THE BACKBONE - THE INTERNET BACKBONE
>>>
>>>
>>> We're still sitting on the fence with a project where we're looking for
>>> similar bandwidth solutions.  We're in an area where the only easy
>>> solution
>>> is DSL.  There's no cable, and no fixed wireless.  So if we want more
>>> than a
>>> 6 Mb/s DSL line, we have to either go with a fractional DS3, or bonded
>>> T1's....and they're both quite spendy.
>>>
>>> This question is actually directed at Shapery, but anyone else is welcome
>>> to
>>> comment of course.
>>>
>>> The best quote we got for bandwidth was from Time Warner.  All speeds are
>>> symmetrical.  For a 36mo term, we could get:
>>>
>>> 5 Mb/s  $850/mo
>>> 10Mb/s $1,250/mo
>>> 20Mb/s $1,850/mo
>>> 45Mb/s $2,895/mo
>>>
>>> These CIR are based on a 100 Mb/s ethernet pipe.
>>>
>>> Do these prices seem in line with what you would expect to pay?  The
>>> location is on Miramar Road across the street from the Marine base.
>>>
>>> -M@
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Steve Shapery <steve at shapery.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Tubes are full!!!
>>>>
>>>> Fundamentally, there is no "Core Backbone" for the internet.  It is a
>>>> conglomeration of multiple private carriers, who 'peer' at public and
>>>> private points using the BGP protocol. (See: NAP, MAE-WEST, etc)
>>>>
>>>> if you want to connect to 'the core Internet' you'll need to get a
>>>> circuit from a "Tier-1" carrier - i.e. ATT, Level (3), etc.. and then
>>>> you will be as close as you can get to 'the core'.
>>>>
>>>> as for high-speed connections - these days, you can get good pricing
>>>> from multiple Tier-1 or Tier-2 carriers for 100Mbps circuits into a
>>>> colocation facility, or anywhere that's on their networks (see:
>>>> ON-NET). depending on how many sites you want to branch out to for
>>>> coverage, it can get quite pricy quite quickly.
>>>>
>>>> But as an example, you can get many carriers to extend their fiber
>>>> footprint into your facility based on spend and term commitment - I
>>>> have Cox trenching and doing a 3000' fiber build into one of my
>>>> buildings based on a $10,500/mo spend commit on a 36 month term.
>>>> That's for a dedicated 100Mbps circuit to Mexico. For Internet, you
>>>> can get alot of services quite a bit cheaper - currently, I can get
>>>> 1000Mbps wire to the internet with a 100mbps CIR for $3000/mo.
>>>>
>>>> So look around - if you want to play in the Enterprise market, let me
>>>> know and I can introduce you to some of my salespeople.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian Whalen wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>> green bean wrote:
>>>>> <blockquote
>>>>>  cite="mid:827143b70904261100t402e0b7le18ffaea9f9d599a at mail.gmail.com"
>>>>>  type="cite">
>>>>>  <div dir="ltr">could someone please explain to me how to connect
>>>>> directly to the internet backbone?<br>
>>>>> or to buy bandwidth at a wholesale price?<br>
>>>>> my goal would be to plan a WISP [wireless internet service
>>>>> provider]<br>
>>>>> with enough bandwidth both up and down that <br>
>>>>> one thousand customers could each have broadband service more or
>>>>> less<br>
>>>>> equal to a cheap DSL connection of 0.5 MBPS. lets assume only
>>>>> one-fourth of the <br>
>>>>> customers are online during internet rush hour. so 250 x 0.5 MBPS = 125
>>>>> MBPS<br>
>>>>> which is why i would like to directly connect to the internet backbone
>>>>> at a wholesale price <br>
>>>>> much less than if i had to buy [retail priced] bandwidth 6MBPS at a
>>>>> time. <br>
>>>>> how is that done?<br>
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>>>>> Either connect to multiple providers and get an AS number and speak BGP
>>>>> to several providers, or connect to a single provider that does this
>>>>> already, some emphasize carrier neutrality, Internap was the defacto
>>>>> standard in the past for this, I don't know about now.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Brian<br>
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