[SCFN] ITS ALL ABOUT THE BACKBONE - THE INTERNET BACKBONE

Tue Apr 28 13:14:39 PDT 2009

He didn't say it was twcable as in coax. He was referring to the vendor. 
Come on.

Matt Fanady wrote:
> This isn't TW cable, TW will be running fiber to the building and
> delivering ethernet.  I'm not sure I understand the rest of the
> question however.
> 
> -M@
> 
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:56 PM, David Morris <dmorris at pixeled.net> wrote:
>> I'm paying quite a bit less for a twcable 10mb pipe into one of our dc's
>> Does this have to be into that facility? Or would a carrier neutral NOC
>> work?
>>
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>>
>> We're still sitting on the fence with a project where we're looking for
>> similar bandwidth solutions.  We're in an area where the only easy solution
>> is DSL.  There's no cable, and no fixed wireless.  So if we want more than a
>> 6 Mb/s DSL line, we have to either go with a fractional DS3, or bonded
>> T1's....and they're both quite spendy.
>>
>> This question is actually directed at Shapery, but anyone else is welcome to
>> comment of course.
>>
>> The best quote we got for bandwidth was from Time Warner.  All speeds are
>> symmetrical.  For a 36mo term, we could get:
>>
>> 5 Mb/s  $850/mo
>> 10Mb/s $1,250/mo
>> 20Mb/s $1,850/mo
>> 45Mb/s $2,895/mo
>>
>> These CIR are based on a 100 Mb/s ethernet pipe.
>>
>> Do these prices seem in line with what you would expect to pay?  The
>> location is on Miramar Road across the street from the Marine base.
>>
>> -M@
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Steve Shapery <steve at shapery.com> wrote:
>>> The Tubes are full!!!
>>>
>>> Fundamentally, there is no "Core Backbone" for the internet.  It is a
>>> conglomeration of multiple private carriers, who 'peer' at public and
>>> private points using the BGP protocol. (See: NAP, MAE-WEST, etc)
>>>
>>> if you want to connect to 'the core Internet' you'll need to get a
>>> circuit from a "Tier-1" carrier - i.e. ATT, Level (3), etc.. and then
>>> you will be as close as you can get to 'the core'.
>>>
>>> as for high-speed connections - these days, you can get good pricing
>>> from multiple Tier-1 or Tier-2 carriers for 100Mbps circuits into a
>>> colocation facility, or anywhere that's on their networks (see:
>>> ON-NET). depending on how many sites you want to branch out to for
>>> coverage, it can get quite pricy quite quickly.
>>>
>>> But as an example, you can get many carriers to extend their fiber
>>> footprint into your facility based on spend and term commitment - I
>>> have Cox trenching and doing a 3000' fiber build into one of my
>>> buildings based on a $10,500/mo spend commit on a 36 month term.
>>> That's for a dedicated 100Mbps circuit to Mexico. For Internet, you
>>> can get alot of services quite a bit cheaper - currently, I can get
>>> 1000Mbps wire to the internet with a 100mbps CIR for $3000/mo.
>>>
>>> So look around - if you want to play in the Enterprise market, let me
>>> know and I can introduce you to some of my salespeople.
>>>
>>>
>>> --Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian Whalen wrote:
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>>>> green bean wrote:
>>>> <blockquote
>>>>  cite="mid:827143b70904261100t402e0b7le18ffaea9f9d599a at mail.gmail.com"
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>>>>   <div dir="ltr">could someone please explain to me how to connect
>>>> directly to the internet backbone?<br>
>>>> or to buy bandwidth at a wholesale price?<br>
>>>> my goal would be to plan a WISP [wireless internet service provider]<br>
>>>> with enough bandwidth both up and down that <br>
>>>> one thousand customers could each have broadband service more or less<br>
>>>> equal to a cheap DSL connection of 0.5 MBPS. lets assume only
>>>> one-fourth of the <br>
>>>> customers are online during internet rush hour. so 250 x 0.5 MBPS = 125
>>>> MBPS<br>
>>>> which is why i would like to directly connect to the internet backbone
>>>> at a wholesale price <br>
>>>> much less than if i had to buy [retail priced] bandwidth 6MBPS at a
>>>> time. <br>
>>>> how is that done?<br>
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>>>> Either connect to multiple providers and get an AS number and speak BGP
>>>> to several providers, or connect to a single provider that does this
>>>> already, some emphasize carrier neutrality, Internap was the defacto
>>>> standard in the past for this, I don't know about now.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Brian<br>
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